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Camm Erskine [ Daily Prophet ]
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Magic?
« on: August 21, 2014, 05:57:00 AM »
i apologise for the lack of apt titling...

I've been doing some poking around HP wiki, because I've always been curious as to what magic essentially is, and what's the difference between muggles and wizards I guess? I couldn't really find what I wanted to know (or in the case of this paper, I can't understand), so I thought I'd get some opinions here instead because you're all wizards :3

So apparently there is such a thing as a magic gene, and it is what triggers the ability to perform magic in an individual. Does that mean the magical abilities lie in the blood of a wizard? Or is it just some form of energy that's stored somewhere in the body? If that's the case, does magic blood make wizards impervious to all muggle diseases, even ones like cancer? (I just have a lot of questions about magical blood in general ><)
And while I'm at it, just how far behind is the wizarding world compared to the muggles'? Because my brain just can't wrap around the idea of healers doing their science stuff without machines, or characters getting takeout without plastic containers.

I'm sorry for the questions and for being such a muggle v____v
 

Dermod Larkin Morfessa [ Death Eater ]
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Re: Magic?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2014, 05:01:56 PM »
Okay, so we had a bit of a chat in admin to make sure we worded this properly and didn't wander off into confusingness like that paper is unless you've studied a fair bit of science xD

So firstly, magic is hereditary. We decided to forego the term "genetic" because that implies there's one or two specific genes that are responsible for it - and as we know from experience, you can't actually explain it being both dominant and recessive with simple punnet squares, it's rather more complex than that. However, the word "genetic" theoretically carries the possibility that muggle scientists could splice in the magic gene into an otherwise muggle zygote and produce magical offspring, which obviously doens't fit with the setting.

But I'm digressing already! So magic is inherited...you can perhaps think of it as something like height. So two muggles are most likely to have a muggle kid (as in, two short parents have a short kid) but they *might* have a magical/tall kid (because great-granddad Bert was a wizard/6'4). Purebloods will almost always have magical children but occasionally something happens and they have a squib (tall parents almost always have tall children, but very occasionally the child is extremely short). If the purebloods are inbred the chances of this happening would be increased (this can be likened to the fact that cousins marrying cousins often leads to genetic diseases etc)

However it's a bit more complicated, because magic is some kind of innate vital force that can be channelled in various ways. Allowing me to be vain for a moment; my singing ability which was there long before I had lessons, so it's obviously neither entirely taught nor entirely hereditary. It's also not something you could isolate and say "Right, that's it. There. The "singing" gene." So there are varying degrees of magic, accounting for why some wizards are incredible at wand work and others, to paraphrase Flitwick, resemble a baboon wielding a stick.

Onto muggle illnesses, and vice versa. The best parallel I managed to draw is a little hazy, but there are cases of women in certain parts of Africa who haven't contracted HIV despite working as prostitutes for years and having had sex with people who have AIDS. Sorry to bing something so RL into things, but I can't find a better analogy. Because these women evidently have some sort of natural immunity that most folks lack. So drawing on from that sort of thing, wizards might have a much lower probability of developing a cancerous tumour; perhaps when it happened it would develop so slowly that old age would generally take them first. On the other hand, a muggle will never get spattergroit because they have natural immunity. 

Magical cures would relate to serious diseases - so there's no magical cure for the common cold any more than there's a muggle one. They just have potions they can take to ease the symptoms.

We also wouldn't say the wizarding world is behind the muggle one in terms of technology. That's somewhat like saying a degree in literature and philosophy is less worthwhile than one in maths. They're just different, and they operate in a different way. Wizards had international travel sooner and far more easily than muggle, for example. And there's nothing in the muggle world that the magical world doesn't have as well, apart from TV and cinema. And personally, I'd argue that if you could entertain yourself with magic, you wouldn't need the TV anywyay. Though I do feel sorry for wizards who don't get to watch Dr Who.

OMG, Dr Who! Tomorrow Night! New Doctor! *runs off excitedly*

I'm sorry, where was I..? ;)

Hope that helps a bit and makes sense!

[carys]~ The Admin Team


Camm Erskine [ Daily Prophet ]
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Re: Magic?
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2014, 11:15:37 AM »
I had to get my head on properly to reply to this (one too many conspiracy theory videos >>)

First of all, thank you guys SO much, that cleared up a lot of other doubts that I had floating around my brain like why don't muggleborns just smuggle their family into St Mungo's and have them treated there and such! <333~

But what about blood then? A lot of creatures in J.K. Rowling's universe have blood with magical properties (I kid, there's only like, three) and I couldn't help but wonder if wizards have magical blood too? And considering the forms of blood magic, like how Harry's blood helped Voldemort to rise to power again, I've always thought that?
And the point about the muggle diseases vs wizard diseases, where do muggleborns/squibs stand in this? Do they have weaker immunity to either/both because their magical "essence", for lack of a better word, could be considered weaker than a pureblood's and have a stronger tie to muggles?

I'm sorry for being so rambly, I really like knowing how stuff works here at MH ^^;

also wouldn't it be totally hilarious if muggle studies tries to teach the students about muggle pop culture and then show them doctor who and the spice girls and things like that hahaha
 

Gianna Regan [ Guest ]
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Re: Magic?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 01:19:24 PM »
bumping this surreptitiously bc I totally don't have more questions based on useless brain fluff...

Dermod Larkin Morfessa [ Death Eater ]
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Re: Magic?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2015, 02:20:30 PM »
Totally missed the reply about the blood (even though it was like 6 months ago) okay... *wanders off to think and contemplate*

Prosper Lachapelle [ Beauxbatons Adult ]
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Re: Magic?
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2015, 02:22:44 PM »
Blood magic!

/my contribution.

Nic Hartfield [ Inactive Character ]
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Re: Magic?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2015, 02:31:05 PM »
Might I point people considering blood magic towards the Dragon Age games? If only because (if separated from the religion element of the games), it does a good job with some of the hereditary and the fun bits of it without making it totally OP?

That is assume it makes sense, fits the boards, etc. Just as a foundation for it really. *wanders off with Carys*

Beau Messer [ Guest ]
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Re: Magic?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2015, 05:54:43 PM »

But what about blood then? A lot of creatures in J.K. Rowling's universe have blood with magical properties (I kid, there's only like, three) and I couldn't help but wonder if wizards have magical blood too? And considering the forms of blood magic, like how Harry's blood helped Voldemort to rise to power again, I've always thought that?
And the point about the muggle diseases vs wizard diseases, where do muggleborns/squibs stand in this? Do they have weaker immunity to either/both because their magical "essence", for lack of a better word, could be considered weaker than a pureblood's and have a stronger tie to muggles?


This is pretty much me speculating based on what Carys already said, so obviously use a grain of salt.

To me it seems like wizards and witches having blood that holds magical properties seems unlikely. I don't recall any indications that would point towards that conclusion. Harry's 'offering' to Voldemort was less about his blood having magical properties and more about his blood being from him specifically if I recall correctly. The potion required the blood of three people, but there was no mention of there being anything more to the blood itself [than who it belonged to].

One way to think of it is how wizarding society uses other biological parts, such as kidneys, hearts, and hair/fur/wool. If we assume that because dragons have blood with magical properties wizards would as well, we could also assume that because dragons have kidneys with magical properties that wizards would as well. Same with stuff like dragon heartstring or dragon hair. If that makes sense like I think it does. It could go either way seems like. I just don't remember anything pointing towards human parts (or blood) being a normal thing in potionmaking/any area of magic in the same way fauna parts (or blood) are.

As far as muggleborns and squibs go, I don't think there'd be any difference from purebloods or halfbloods based on this part of the original response:

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Onto muggle illnesses, and vice versa. The best parallel I managed to draw is a little hazy, but there are cases of women in certain parts of Africa who haven't contracted HIV despite working as prostitutes for years and having had sex with people who have AIDS. Sorry to bing something so RL into things, but I can't find a better analogy. Because these women evidently have some sort of natural immunity that most folks lack. So drawing on from that sort of thing, wizards might have a much lower probability of developing a cancerous tumour; perhaps when it happened it would develop so slowly that old age would generally take them first. On the other hand, a muggle will never get spattergroit because they have natural immunity.


Generally speaking it seems like any human with the 'magic gene' would have a higher immunity to muggle diseases while being more prone to catch magical ones. Blood purity doesn't look to have any actual standing on magical ability or strength going off of the books. If a pureblood as no more inherent magical ability, it's hard to imagine their 'pure' blood would effect their ability to fight off disease.

All that said, I'm just speculating from what I've read so far and I've never played DA so I have no idea how blood magic works there. Obvs listen to admins over me d:

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